John Ho's intimidating email

Note: This will be the last post on Lions Club of Kota Kinabalu Host for at least a month. It may be even 2 or 3 months.

This is a lengthy post but for those who would like to know why DG Eve Wong did not respond, this post may be able to shed some light. This email shows how devious John SF Ho can be.

Eve Wong had written an email to John SF Ho and John responded as follows.

My comments in red after each paragraph of John’s email was written and sent off to Eve Wong, International president of LCI and David Kingsbury of LCI legal. This was in March 2017.

John S F Ho <jsfh.marcia@gmail.com>

To:evewonglb@gmail.com

Cc:luqmanm2002@yahoo.co.uk,thomashtp@gmail.com,president@lionsclubs.org,david.kingsbury@lionsclubs.org,songleenator@gmail.com

21 Mar 2017 at 01:56

Dear DG Eve Wong,

I refer to your email dated 20 March 2017 and Luqman Michel (LM), a non-Lion member’s response to you of the same date and also to LCI’s email of 14 February, 2017 to LM still inappropriately addressing him as “Lion Michel” when he was already expelled as a Lion member of Lions Club of Kota Kinabalu Host (KK Host) on 17 January, 2017 and LCI has been duly notified.

My response: Knowing John will come up with such accusations I addressed the DG and PDG’s as Mr. and Ms. I did not sign off as ‘Lion Luqman’. This is how John leads people astray – away from the issue.

I am taking the safe road and avoiding calling myself a Lion but on the other hand am I expelled from my club or am I expelled from the Lions Movement? Which leader of District 308 A2 can answer this question? Is there any member at all who is able to answer this question? As far as I am concerned I am still a Lion. I had paid my dues and it is paid to June 2017.

I am extremely dismayed and disillusioned with the inappropriateness of your email of 20 March 2017, in wanting to appease LM and in succumbing to his threats and emotional blackmails. I am also totally shocked with the atrocities and audacity of LM and really wonder why our Leader in District 308 A2 allows, tolerates and entertains them.

DG, I have clearly told you to focus on the LM’s issues and segregate them into:

(a)   Personal conflicts between LM, my president, Thomas and I

(b)   Club issues fabricated and raised by LM

(c)    Concerns of our District 308 A2.

(d)   Concerns of LCI

My response:

a)      I am not raising personal conflicts. I have clearly abstained from questions on personal conflicts as that will go off on a tangent thus avoiding the main issue.

b)     Club issues are not fabricated. All matters have been explained by Norman Lie Chin Man (PP) at the 8^th BOD meeting. Important questions to ask are:

i.                    How many bank accounts have been disclosed to ROS?

ii.                 How many bank accounts have been disclosed in the treasury report provided to all members via emails?

iii.                How many bank accounts have been disclosed to LCI?

iv.                Was office lot purchased reported to ROS?

v.                  Was office lot purchased reported to LCI?

vi.                Why is my name not registered as an officer for year 2015/2016 in ROS register?

vii.           Why is Francis Liew listed as secretary in the ROS register when the secretary for  that year was Jessie Goh?

viii.        Why are posts of Assistant secretary and Assistant treasurer listed in the ROS registry when there are no such posts in the club?

ix.                 Why is LCKKHost registered as LCKK in the Registry?

x.               Why is our bank name in the registry listed as Hong Leong Bank when we have been only informed of Alliance Bank throughout the years?

xi.           Why is the name Carol Lo registered as president for year 2016/2017 when the actual president is Thomas Ho Thau Phin?

c)      All the above and more are the concerns of District 308 A2. This should be tackled and the culprits reprimanded if not dismissed from the Lions Movement as a lesson to other clubs.

d)     The above should be a LCI concern as one club should not be allowed to tarnish the good name of what has been built up over a hundred years.

Personal conflicts are privy and can only be settled between the involved parties amicably or through litigation. Interference from any outside party is certainly not required and cannot help.

Response: Agreed. I have not brought anything of a personal nature to DG or LCI. If JH wants me to I have no problem with it.

I have told you LM has lodged a police report on 4 January 2017 at 11.33am against me alleging that I made certain discrediting postings about him.  At 6.48 pm the same day, he emailed me asking whether there are any matters on his Facebook that I want him to apologise for. Then on 7 January 2017 he made a final demand for me to apologise to him failing which he said he will go to the authorities. He already made the police report 3 days earlier. What a lying and devious person!! I have openly declared I will not associate with the likes of LM and no one can make me stoop so low as to meet and talk with such a person.

My Response: The request for apology was to settle matters amicably as suggested by the police officer. There is nothing devious about it. The police matter is about Marcia Hong and JH defaming me on personal matters which are all fictitious and the police advised me to settle it with John and Marcia Hong.

I wrote the following email immediately upon the return from the police station. It was on the same date that I made the police report and not 3 days later as accused by John Ho above.

I repeat, I asked JH to apologise on the request of the police officer who said that he will keep the police report and it can be squashed if JH and I settle this amicably. I asked for a week to settle matters amicably.

And in the evening, as mentioned above by John Ho, I wrote again and asked him if he wanted me to apologise on anything that I may have said. I received no response to both the emails. A response from another member on 4^th January is shown below as conclusive evidence that I wrote on 4^th and not on the 7^th.

Note that John had said “Then on 7 January 2017 he made a final demand for me to apologise to him”. How could I have made a ‘final demand’, if I had not made a request on the 4^th? AND he calls me a ‘lying and devious person’.

(Note as of February 2018: This case is still pending and John is free to check with the police officer. The Investigating Officer's name is Ins. Mustapha.)

Luqman Michel <luqmanmichel@gmail.com>			Jan 4

This email was to all members including John Ho. Dear Mr.John Ho, I would like to move on and would like you to apologise on the following post in Mr.Chin Chee Thau's face book page on 15.11.2016. Otherwise, I will take this matter to authorities concerned. Etc. Note to all members: I am writing this here instead of writing to John Ho's email hoping that one of you will be able to convince him to just apologise and move on. Regret any inconvenience caused. Regards, Luqman Michel

One member wrote to me Dear Luqman Knowing John Ho he is not likely to apologise. But let us assume he dose apologise, does that mean you will stop and go on with your life or you will still go on sparring with him?

And then as admitted by John above I made a final request to settle matters amicably on 7.1.2017.

In return I also lodged a police report against LM and Bukit Aman is now investigating whether to charge him for false police reporting (as I do not even have a Facebook account and those postings were not made by me), also under Section 233 of the Communications and Multimedia Act 1998 for making offensive comments against me publicly and also into the possible motive of extortion.

Response: I don’t know about John Ho not having a Facebook account but he had specifically said that he is using Marcia Hong’s account to write some matters on Facebook. All information posted in Facebook by Marcia Hong is privy to Lions members and the question that should be asked is as to how she knows this information. John Ho’s hand phone had been used to forward Facebook comments to the Lions Whatsapp group. Were these posts posted by Marcia Hong from John Ho’s account without his knowledge? (I can send samples to you if you want)

(Comment as of February 2018: Here is proof that John uses his wife’s facebook account to post messages. AND he is a PDG and he calls me devious!)

Club issues are internal and have to be dealt with by the club itself. In this case the action taken by KK Host is most appropriate. LM was expelled by unanimous vote of 38 members at a special members meeting for rendering himself unworthy of membership for injuring the good name of KK Host and disturbing its well- being in his public media Facebook postings and blogs. Yet you as the DG have considered him worthy enough to join us (Lions) again to serve. This is indeed very disturbing!! If that is really how you feel why don’t you invite him to be a member of your club?

Response: Unanimous votes? Were the members well informed about what was recorded into the ROS registry? Did I not ask for amendments to be made in the registry before the EGM? Did I not email the auditor for 2015/2016 and copied to all members asking for how many bank accounts were audited for that year? Did I not say that I will not attend the EGM if all these and more questions are not answered?

Please refer to the BOD papers presented at the 8^th BOD by two independent parties – Mr.Norman Lie Chin Man and Mr.Horace Ho Toh Chee. Why were 10 pages of report by Norman Lie and one page by Horace Ho reduced to just one sentence each in the minutes? How would any member who had not attended the 8^th BOD meeting know what was presented by Norman Lie?

(My comment as of February 2018: According to the LCKKHost constitution all that is needed is for 2/3 majority of Board members. John ho could have easily obtained that. Why did he choose to have an EGM and took the trouble of getting all his old cronies who had not attended any BOD meeting over more than a few years?

LM has also lodged a police report against KK Host making totally unfounded allegations and a few KK Host members have been summoned by the police to make statements. KK Host is now contemplating taking action against LM.

My response:I have asked around and been told that there was no discussion about KK 

Host contemplating taking action against me. Did LCKKHost given John permission to 

make decisions on behalf of the board?

(Comment as of February 2018: It has now been a year and KKHost has not taken any action against me. Is there any KKHost member who can confirm that KKHost is contemplating taking action against me?) 

Anyway LM has repeatedly said “it” is not a club matter. Why are you considering this a club matter and why did LM have such audacity to demand for you, a few PDGs (including PDG James Teo & IDPG Lawrence Ting) to sit down with my president Thomas and I and some officers of his choice to settle problems and until this is done he will not stop writing? Why are meetings after meetings necessary when you, VDG2 and your ZC have already met with us on 17 February 2017? Does LM have the audacity to think that is not good enough because he and his cronies are not there? He is merely behaving like a spoilt brat throwing tantrums until he gets what he wants. Are you going to give him what he wants?

Response: The DG had asked me to attend the meeting stating that she will find out why I had been sacked and that she will try and reconcile matters. I told her that this matter has well passed that stage and she should be looking into removing Thomas Ho and John Ho as members of the club.

As for writing on Facebook, I have it in writing from John Ho asking me to write to my friend in US to find out if what I am saying is ‘Unlionistic’. I told John that instead of asking one friend I shall ask all my friends on FB. AND that is what I have done.

As for “to sit down with my president Thomas and I and some officers of his choice to settle problems” – I had said that they may brings 2 or 3 members of their choice and I bring 2 or 3 members from my end.

As for “Why are meetings after meetings necessary when you, VDG2 and your ZC have already met with us on 17 February 2017?” I believe this is another one of John’s exaggeration. I know of only one meeting that had been held by DG with 2 others.

(Note as of 20.2.2018: Eve Wong had promised to meet me on 17.2.2017 but she did not. She did not meet me because of the meeting with John Ho where she would have got a shelling like John does when he wants no one else to speak.)

Concerns of our District 308 A2 have to be dealt with by the DG and its cabinet.

Likewise concerns of LCI have to be dealt with by the DG, its cabinet and or POAs at the instructions of LCI.

Response: Do whatever is the proper way to deal with this matter.

(My comment as of February 2018: Yes, I now again request LCI to instruct the current DG Pelly Lee to appoint a few conciliators to settle this issue. What is Pelly Lee and her cabinet waiting for? )

Not being on the Board of Directors of KK Host and not being a member of your Cabinet, can you please let me know why you are writing that email to me or why you consider I am one of the parties to settle the problem?

My response: (On behalf of Ms.Eve Wong if I may) It is John Ho who is the cause of all these problems. He is the one responsible for opening the third bank account in Alliance Bank which has not been audited and which was not presented to the BOD when I was director for 2015/2016. This account has never been audited nor presented to a majority of the members. It is John who had misled all members that everything recorded in the ROS is accurate.

(My comment now as of February 2018: Now I know of another 2 bank accounts in Hong Leong Bank as well as a fixed deposit account.) 

Also you urged ALL OF us to settle things internally and not going public. DG, when did my president Thomas or I write anything in public? It is only LM writing in the public media!!

Response: Just because John has deleted all his posting directly and via Marcia Hong does not mean there are no evidence of his public postings. There are others from his club who have also posted despite requests from me not to post anything on my Facebook posts.

(Note as of 20.2.2018: There were continuous postings by PDG George Kunjan, Marcia Hong  and Queenie. There were also posts by PP CCPung. The photo above should be prove enough that John Ho is being devious.)

LM has the audacity to treat you, our duly elected Leader of District 308 A2 as a super class post office delivery person for delivering his packages to President Thomas and trying to deliver to me. (I refused to take delivery as I consider this highly degrading for my DG). Why did you allow this? Surely he could have sent the materials himself or by courier.

Response: The material I gave to DG was in support of my letter together with the requisite amount for opening a CDRP procedure. I was just following LCI instruction to request for CDRP procedure. AND John wants all concerned to believe that he did not read what was sent to him!

LM also has the audacity to endlessly accuse KK Host of misappropriation of funds and steal from funds meant for the needy. Isn’t it the onus on him to prove all these very serious allegations and not for us to prove our innocence? Is having more than 2 bank accounts acceptable evidence? Can he tell you the amount misappropriated? Can he name the person or persons who have “stolen” the money? Can he state on which day or days the funds were misappropriated?

Response: Not in its entirety but I was about to do it via checking of books of the 3^rd bank account when I was rudely dismissed. My expulsion was a result of asking for the number of bank accounts LCKKHost has. Following that John guessed that I will then ask for the accounts of the 3^rd bank account as there is a provision in the Constitution and the Societies Act for a request by any member in good standing to inspect the records of the club. John is aware that once expelled I will not be able to check the accounts and that was the motive for my dismissal.

(My comment as of 20.2.2018: I have now proven that there are an additional 3 bank accounts complete with bank account numbers not made known to members. I have shown the statement signed by John Ho and Joseph Chai which clearly shows funds from the hidden accounts being used for purchase of air conditioners and renovation expenses.

The fact is that the balance of the hidden 3 bank accounts was not accounted for. They were not included in the financial statements filed with ROS. This was never discussed at the AGM during my year or prior to the years I was a director.

Show me the bank statements and the cheque butts and I will tell you exactly when the money was taken out.)

The police in Bukit Aman and Travers have already advised me to initiate legal action against LM for these allegations. I am holding back because I doubt he has enough money to pay if he loses.

Response: Enough money to pay if I lose should not be the criterion and not his concern.

                                                                    

LCI’s comments on this are appropriate. “ If YOU BELIEVE that KK Host is mishandling club accounts, ask the District Leadership to review the matter” Surely then the District Leadership should ask for evidence from LM instead of calling for meetings to listen to stories.

Response: It is best that we all do it together. I am ready. My letter to Ms.Eve Wong to start CDRP procedures was handed to her on 12.2.2017 in the presence of another president from another club – President Chong Tsen Vui.

(My comment now: Why has the DG, or VDG or PDG’s not called me up to question me directly? John Ho has ordered this to be carried out. What are they waiting for?)

LCI’s comments on his expulsion are also appropriate. “If YOU BELIEVE that your removal is unjustified, file a complaint under CDRP.” Just ask him to do that. He did not even attend the special meeting to present his case when he was accorded that opportunity to do so.

Respond: My expulsion is unjustified but right now this is not what I am concerned with. ROS has said that they will investigate and reinstate me if they find that my expulsion was invalid. I am more concerned with the good name of the Lions Movement and how it is being tarnished by the devious acts of John and Thomas by misleading LCKKHost.

DG, if you are sincere in wanting to tackle this problem just do what LCI suggests. Listening to LM’s stories will never solve anything; they are all fabricated and twisted to his advantage and he will never stop writing no matter what you do. He will only stop when the Police takes action against him and hopefully that will come soon.

Response: Specifically ask John Ho what I had fabricated or twisted. I am prepared to answer all questions. Let the police investigate. My request is for LCI/Leaders of District 308A2 to investigate this matter and have Thomas Ho and John Ho stripped off their titles before the 2017 convention. I wrote in December 2016 to apply Status quo and suspension of LCKKHost until investigation is over. I still request for same to be done as an example to all other clubs.

(As of February 2018: carefully read Kim's letter below to see how devious a ruthless PDG can get.)

Regards,

PDG John S F Ho